Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Running Snort with MSDE/Server Express 2005

Hi,
Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
Edition?
I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
installed MSDE 2000A from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However when
I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
"This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It is
provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is installed
as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BenHi
ntwdblib.dll is for db-library which no longer supported, but your msde
install would have created it. Did you check the DLL exists and is it on your
PATH? It should be in the system32 directory.
John
"benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
> Hi,
> Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
> Edition?
> I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
> Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
> installed MSDE 2000A from
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
> and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However when
> I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
> being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
> "This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
> client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
> installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It is
> provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is installed
> as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
> So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
> install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Ben
>
>|||Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I even did a search of my entire C: drive for 'ntwdblib.dll', and it
found nothing.
Ben
"John Bell" <jbellnewsposts@.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
> ntwdblib.dll is for db-library which no longer supported, but your msde
> install would have created it. Did you check the DLL exists and is it on
> your
> PATH? It should be in the system32 directory.
> John
> "benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
>> Edition?
>> I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
>> Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
>> installed MSDE 2000A from
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
>> and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However
>> when
>> I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
>> being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
>> "This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
>> client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
>> installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It
>> is
>> provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
>> installed
>> as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
>> So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
>> install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Ben
>>|||Hi Ben
An installation of MSDE with "MDAC with additional client components" will
install DB-Library. You may want to enable logging for your installation by
using the /L*v option see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q324998
John
"benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for the reply.
> Yes, I even did a search of my entire C: drive for 'ntwdblib.dll', and it
> found nothing.
> Ben
>
> "John Bell" <jbellnewsposts@.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0FE539E5-18EC-4D71-A4B7-13B014A34079@.microsoft.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > ntwdblib.dll is for db-library which no longer supported, but your msde
> > install would have created it. Did you check the DLL exists and is it on
> > your
> > PATH? It should be in the system32 directory.
> >
> > John
> >
> > "benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
> >> Edition?
> >>
> >> I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
> >> Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
> >> installed MSDE 2000A from
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
> >> and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However
> >> when
> >> I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
> >> being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
> >>
> >> "This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
> >> client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
> >> installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It
> >> is
> >> provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
> >> installed
> >> as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
> >>
> >> So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
> >> install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
> >>
> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Ben
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>|||Hi Ben,
None of the SQL Server 2005 client tools have any dependency on
ntwdblib.dll and it is no longer shipped with SQL Server 2005.
Ntwdblib.dll is the DLL for the old DB-Library API. DB-Library is
deprecated with SQL Server 2005; SQL Server 2005 no longer includes the
DB-Library dll, and anyone wanting to run a DB-Library application against
SQL Server 2005 needs to get the dll from a previous version of SQL Server.
From the SQL Server 2005 Books Online:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729(en-US,SQL.90).aspx
To run DB-Library or Embedded SQL applications you must have available the
DB-Library DLL from SQL Server version 6.5, SQL Server 7.0, or SQL Server
2000.
I think you have to copy the ntwdblib.dll from another computer which
contains and register it manually.
Best regards,
Vincent Xu
Microsoft Online Partner Support
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======================================================>>Reply-To: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>>From: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>>Subject: Running Snort with MSDE/Server Express 2005
>>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0100
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>>Hi,
>>Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
>>Edition?
>>I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
>>Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
>>installed MSDE 2000A from
>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479
f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
>>and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However
when
>>I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
>>being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
>>"This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
>>client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
>>installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It
is
>>provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
installed
>>as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
>>So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
>>install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Ben
>>|||Hi Vincent,
Thanks for the reply.
I think we have a spare SQL 2000 license from our MAPS subscription, if I
install it, and use this rather than the 2005 version, this should register
the ntwdblib.dll, and work? I don't think we need the latest version of SQL,
it's only for snort to log to, which is why I initially tried the MSDE, but
failing that, I assume it can do this using SQL 2000 as well.
Many thanks
Ben
"Vincent Xu [MSFT]" <v-xuwen@.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Ben,
> None of the SQL Server 2005 client tools have any dependency on
> ntwdblib.dll and it is no longer shipped with SQL Server 2005.
> Ntwdblib.dll is the DLL for the old DB-Library API. DB-Library is
> deprecated with SQL Server 2005; SQL Server 2005 no longer includes the
> DB-Library dll, and anyone wanting to run a DB-Library application against
> SQL Server 2005 needs to get the dll from a previous version of SQL
> Server.
> From the SQL Server 2005 Books Online:
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729(en-US,SQL.90).aspx
> To run DB-Library or Embedded SQL applications you must have available the
> DB-Library DLL from SQL Server version 6.5, SQL Server 7.0, or SQL Server
> 2000.
> I think you have to copy the ntwdblib.dll from another computer which
> contains and register it manually.
>
> Best regards,
> Vincent Xu
> Microsoft Online Partner Support
> ======================================================> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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> that others
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> ======================================================>
> --
>>Reply-To: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>>From: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>>Subject: Running Snort with MSDE/Server Express 2005
>>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0100
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>>Hi,
>>Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
>>Edition?
>>I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
>>Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
>>installed MSDE 2000A from
>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479
> f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
>>and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However
> when
>>I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
>>being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
>>"This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
>>client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
>>installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It
> is
>>provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
> installed
>>as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
>>So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
>>install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>Ben
>>
>|||Hi Ben
That should be fine if you have the licences. MSDE should have been fine but
I don't have enough information to say why it did not install this library.
John
"benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
> Thanks for the reply.
> I think we have a spare SQL 2000 license from our MAPS subscription, if I
> install it, and use this rather than the 2005 version, this should register
> the ntwdblib.dll, and work? I don't think we need the latest version of SQL,
> it's only for snort to log to, which is why I initially tried the MSDE, but
> failing that, I assume it can do this using SQL 2000 as well.
> Many thanks
> Ben
> "Vincent Xu [MSFT]" <v-xuwen@.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:Gtf%23XxYmGHA.5184@.TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > None of the SQL Server 2005 client tools have any dependency on
> > ntwdblib.dll and it is no longer shipped with SQL Server 2005.
> >
> > Ntwdblib.dll is the DLL for the old DB-Library API. DB-Library is
> > deprecated with SQL Server 2005; SQL Server 2005 no longer includes the
> > DB-Library dll, and anyone wanting to run a DB-Library application against
> > SQL Server 2005 needs to get the dll from a previous version of SQL
> > Server.
> > From the SQL Server 2005 Books Online:
> >
> > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729(en-US,SQL.90).aspx
> >
> > To run DB-Library or Embedded SQL applications you must have available the
> > DB-Library DLL from SQL Server version 6.5, SQL Server 7.0, or SQL Server
> > 2000.
> >
> > I think you have to copy the ntwdblib.dll from another computer which
> > contains and register it manually.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Vincent Xu
> > Microsoft Online Partner Support
> >
> > ======================================================> > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> > ======================================================> > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader so
> > that others
> > may learn and benefit from this issue.
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> > ======================================================> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >>Reply-To: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
> >>From: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
> >>Subject: Running Snort with MSDE/Server Express 2005
> >>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0100
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> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
> >>Edition?
> >>
> >>I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running Windows XP
> >>Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
> >>installed MSDE 2000A from
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-479
> > f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
> >>and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1. However
> > when
> >>I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll not
> >>being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
> >>
> >>"This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is used by
> >>client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
> >>installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or ADO. It
> > is
> >>provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
> > installed
> >>as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
> >>
> >>So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it would
> >>install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same error.
> >>
> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>Ben
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>|||Hi,
Glad to provide information. :)
Have a good day!
Best regards,
Vincent Xu
Microsoft Online Partner Support
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>>Hi Ben
>>That should be fine if you have the licences. MSDE should have been fine
but
>>I don't have enough information to say why it did not install this
library.
>>John
>>"benblackmore@.nospam.postalias" wrote:
>> Hi Vincent,
>> Thanks for the reply.
>> I think we have a spare SQL 2000 license from our MAPS subscription, if
I
>> install it, and use this rather than the 2005 version, this should
register
>> the ntwdblib.dll, and work? I don't think we need the latest version of
SQL,
>> it's only for snort to log to, which is why I initially tried the MSDE,
but
>> failing that, I assume it can do this using SQL 2000 as well.
>> Many thanks
>> Ben
>> "Vincent Xu [MSFT]" <v-xuwen@.online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:Gtf%23XxYmGHA.5184@.TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl...
>> > Hi Ben,
>> >
>> > None of the SQL Server 2005 client tools have any dependency on
>> > ntwdblib.dll and it is no longer shipped with SQL Server 2005.
>> >
>> > Ntwdblib.dll is the DLL for the old DB-Library API. DB-Library is
>> > deprecated with SQL Server 2005; SQL Server 2005 no longer includes
the
>> > DB-Library dll, and anyone wanting to run a DB-Library application
against
>> > SQL Server 2005 needs to get the dll from a previous version of SQL
>> > Server.
>> > From the SQL Server 2005 Books Online:
>> >
>> > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms143729(en-US,SQL.90).aspx
>> >
>> > To run DB-Library or Embedded SQL applications you must have
available the
>> > DB-Library DLL from SQL Server version 6.5, SQL Server 7.0, or SQL
Server
>> > 2000.
>> >
>> > I think you have to copy the ntwdblib.dll from another computer which
>> > contains and register it manually.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Vincent Xu
>> > Microsoft Online Partner Support
>> >
>> > ======================================================>> > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>> > ======================================================>> > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
so
>> > that others
>> > may learn and benefit from this issue.
>> > ======================================================>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,and confers no
rights.
>> > ======================================================>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >>Reply-To: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>> >>From: <benblackmore@.nospam.postalias>
>> >>Subject: Running Snort with MSDE/Server Express 2005
>> >>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:58:47 +0100
>> >>Lines: 27
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>> >>
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>Is it possible to install SNORT with MSDE or SQL Server 2005 Express
>> >>Edition?
>> >>
>> >>I'm trying to install this on a standalone desktop PC, running
Windows XP
>> >>Pro SP2 that has been stripped of any non-essential services. I have
>> >>installed MSDE 2000A from
>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=413744d1-a0bc-47
9
>> > f-bafa-e4b278eb9147&DisplayLang=en
>> >>and then installed the latest version of snort, and WinPcap3.1.
However
>> > when
>> >>I try and configure snort, I get an error message about ntwdblib.dll
not
>> >>being found or registered. I have read an FAQ that says:
>> >>
>> >>"This is the Microsoft SQL Server(tm) client DLL. This library is
used by
>> >>client applications attempting to establish direct connections to an
>> >>installation of SQL Server, as opposed to connecting via ODBC or
ADO. It
>> > is
>> >>provided by Microsoft as part of their SQL Server product, and is
>> > installed
>> >>as part of the SQL Server client package on the SQL Server CD-ROM.".
>> >>
>> >>So I installed SQL Server 2005 Express Edition, in the hope that it
would
>> >>install & register this file, but again, I'm receiving the same
error.
>> >>
>> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>Ben
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

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